Sunday, May 14, 2006

The true agenda of the abortion movement

I have long said that the real goal of the pro-abortion movement is not to help the poor and disadvantaged, as they so often tell us, but to eliminate the poor and the disadvantaged. Their goal is to abort them, contracept them, and wipe them out. The militant pro-abortion movement are the new proponents of the "master race" theory. If it was up to some of these people, I would never have been born.

Terry Frank made a post yesterday exposing these views as the views of Ron and Sarah Weddington. For those of you to don't know, Mr. and Mrs. Weddington were the attorneys for Jane Roe in the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade. It seems that Mr. and Mrs. Weddington had a conversation with President-elect Clinton and his wife shortly before they took office and their true agenda was exposed with such revealing statements as:

"I don’t think you are going to go very far in reforming the country until we have a better educated, healthier, wealthier population.”

He said the new leader can “start immediately to eliminate the barely educated, unhealthy and poor segment of our country.”

"No, I’m not advocating some sort of mass extinction of these unfortunate people. Crime, drugs and disease are already doing that. The problem is that their numbers are not only replaced but increased by the birth of millions of babies to people who can’t afford to have babies."

There, I’ve said it. It’s what we all know is true, but we only whisper it, because as liberals who believe in individual rights, we view any program which might treat the disadvantaged differently as discriminatory, mean-spirited and … well … so Republican.”

With every day that passes, I thank the Lord I am not as one of these people. Statements like this reveal the agenda of the so-called "pro-choice" movement, and make me all the more thankful. I pray for them, to tell you the truth. They need more than just a change of political belief, but a true reform of their hearts.

Those of you who have been duped into thinking yourselves "pro-choice," note that those who so militantly advocate for legalized abortion do so not because of choice, but because they only want life to be lived according to their perameters.

Norma McCorvey is the woman who was Jane Roe. Today, she runs a ministry and advocacy group called Roe No More. She is part of the Church, and she has dedicated the remainder of her life to exposing to others the lies and misrepresentations of the abortion movement. She wants to make sure that all Americans are not duped by the true agenda of this movement that is so dangerous to our society.

24 Comments:

At Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:31:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

abortion is the cure for world overpopulation. The poor and the disadvantaged should not be having children, they are poor and disadvantaged. all they are doing is having a child into a world of hurt.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:40:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Why Memphistopheles, how compassionate of you, just kill people off whenever WE human beings deem the world to be overpopulated.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:48:00 PM, Blogger Steve Mule said...

David,
This is only the views of TWO individual not everyone. You're painting with a very broad brush. My support of the Pro-Chice position is purely political & libertian. A government able to check between the legs of an American woman to make sure she's been good can climb into anything! Even phone records - oops, they're already doing that, bad example, but you get my point. The abortion issue will not go away and there will be no reversal of Roe v Wade, since to do so will remove on of the most politically devisive and effective wedge issues that the GOP has. Remove Roe v Wade and many Pro-Life voters will start looking at other issues, issues the GOP really doesn't do that good on (wages, health care, pre-war planning and so on ...) the old cannard of "how can true Christians vote for ... " won't hold the water it does now.

SteveMule

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:06:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

All that shows (as I pointed out in my post) is that you are one of the many who have been duped. This is the agenda of the leaders of the pro-death movement-these are their goals.

I feel for you Steve-political support of death in the name of freedom-to me it is twisted logic, and I have never been able to understand it and never will. The unborn have rights too, whether you want to believe it or not, and God created them to live, and God loves them-and this holocaust cries out for vengeance from the ground.

The me, aborticide is not a "wedge issue," it is the Ultimate Divider that shows the twisted and sick collective political mind of the Left-they are only in favor of freedom when it suits their agenda. We see what that agenda is-the expansion of government and the end of freedom. Abortion is a big part of that, since the Welfare State can't support all those people, let's kill them off.

Do I tihnk you are that extreme? No. I think you are one of the many millions who have been conned by the Left into believing their lies.

They have done very well the work of the Father of Lies.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:09:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

You deny that the world is overpopulated? are you saying that we are not using up all of our resources faster then we can get them, faster then the earth can create them, because we have more and more people for the world to support? last i checked, the world is going to hell in a handbasket, and all we are doing is creating more selfish little bastards to continue our work

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:15:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Poor Meph has no trust in God or belief in humanity. Pray for Meph.

Human beings="selfish little bastards."

How sad.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:20:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

why trust in some "allmighty being" that has yet to do anything outside of a story book? last i checked, the bible is just a story, and jesus was just an asshole who exploited thousands of mindless fools into believing his lies.

This is the reason i gave up christianity: christians cant just fucking think for themselves, and can't talk about one damn thing, see one damn movie, or breath one damn breath without mentioning their invisable leader.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:31:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

"Jesus was__________________"

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. These are the kinds of comments I have witnessed among the so-called counter-protestors at Marches for Life, and the kinds of comments I have seen and heard from protestors when counter-protesting a "pro-choice" rally/protest.

People like Meph here don't like to be confronted with the truth-the truth is dangerous to their way of thinking-so they must resort instead to these sots of comments, their only piddling weapon.

Isn't it sad?

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:56:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

or is it that christians dont like to be confronted with the truth? that they are cowards, and afraid to admit that there is nothing after life, just the sweet embrace of death, and the end of it all. it is christians who are afraid to face any subject, spouting god whenever they feel like it will lend their cause any good, yet having nothing to say that would convince the masses who arent christian.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:58:00 PM, Blogger Steve Mule said...

David,
No one conned me. The Pro-Life movement ends at birth. After that the killing picks up unchecked, starvation, war and so on. We scream for the rights of the unborn and then fail to nature them, send armies marching ... it's all a con job to aquire, consolidate and maintain power.

SteveMule

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:00:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Ahh-but many are convinced and continue to be everyday, Meph. Millions have taken refuge in Christ, and there is always room for one more.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:24:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Steve;
Apparently you've not done any work in the pro-life movement, as I have, or you would know the reality that we do not end our movement at birth.

I can't tell you of the number of women who've not only been helped to bring their pregnancies to term but who've been helped with baby supplies, food, medical needs, and college scholarships with which they can make a better life for themselves and their baby. I can't tell you of the number because I have lost track-the number is too great to count.

Unfortunately, we in the pro-life movement do not have the might or the reach of either the federal government or the money of Planned Barrenhood.

Great things have come about because a lot of pro-life people cared enough to see that a lot of local pro-life organizations are able to make sure that the pro-life movement doesn't just stop at birth.

However, the movement has been able to do some of its best and most productive work in insuring that pro-life doesn't stop at birth in areas of the country where the Catholic Church is stronger. I am not just saying that because I am Catholic, I am saying that because I have seen with my own eyes the tremendous good the Church does for the movement-the Church helps pro-life groups (no matter what denominations are running them or none at all) with the kind of backing they need to make sure that the pro-life movement does not stop at birth at all.

The Church is not strong in this part of the country, however. It is growing, yes, and it will continue to do so-and we do have some people in positions of influence-but we've got a long way to go before the Catholic Church in East Tennessee can pour the kind of resorces into this that the Church has in some other places.

I know that many of our Protestant brothers and sisters are concerned about this too, but the various Protestant churches are divided in more ways than one-some of them won't work together with one another, let alone with a bunch of Catholics to insure not only that life is protected in law, but that we are ready to foster that life after it comes into the world.

No, it is not "all a con job to aquire, consolidate and maintain power." A whole lot of us are working to change the culture we live in from a Culture of Death to a Culture of Life-but we have a long way to go, even in the churches of this country.

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:21:00 PM, Blogger The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray said...

I, will, not, stand by and let my friend Dave be attacked in this way!!! I come now to his defense and the defense of all Catholics and right minded Christians who post here!!! It seems to me that, if any soul needed prayer, it is that of poor pitiful Mephistopheles. What a depressing life you must lead sir; that all you can do is curse your poor little head off at friends of mine and say the things you said. Dave, although you've done a wonderful job till now of defending our cause, you have stood alone on this comment page in doing so!!! No more!!!

 
At Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:26:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Ray, my brother, if you are anything you are the biting shark every conservative loves to come along when the other extreme (Meph up there) starts hurling the insults of the ignorant.

 
At Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:10:00 AM, Blogger dawn pelsinger said...

there are many responses here, so i assume, my being at the very bottom, and most of us very busy, and considering i myself didnt take the time to read all of them, (its mothers day-am i excused), my response prob wont be read by many.

and now that ive bored you all, i believe the main reasons advocates of abortion support it are, 1. a womans rt to do with her body what she wants and 2. concern over what some consider a human being inside the woman.

before i had my dd9, i supported abortion, altho not wholeheartedly. i think we should consider all sides to such a serious topic. once i conceived, i read every prenatal book i cd get my hands on and one of them had pix of what the growing child inside me looked like, size included. i cant relay this well enuf, and dont remember much anyway, but, i am now almost wholeheartedy against abortion. and i wd vote that way, if the occasion ever presents itself.

this is a life. this is someones life. how else may i put it. i dont think childrens' lives, in this society, are considered as important as adults. infants and children cant speak for themselves.

ok. just a little bit more. i am not catholic but i agree with their anti abortion and anti death penalty stances. it makes so much sense.

both are human lives, and its hard for me to understand how others dont comprehend this. ok, im done.

 
At Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:45:00 PM, Blogger Steve Mule said...

David,
I'm done too. You argue this issue well

SteveMule

 
At Monday, May 15, 2006 9:48:00 AM, Blogger Chucko said...

Yep... at least Steve brought dialogue and a viewpoint to the table. Meph brought nothing to debate, only insults and namecalling. My position on this is well documented. Thanks for a great post Dave.

 
At Monday, May 15, 2006 12:37:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Steve is a civil debater-you can tell the difference.

 
At Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:11:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

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At Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:12:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

yet you have still to answer my question, and continue to avoid it. Why do christians and the like all avoid speaking of things that will convince all people? I hear christians answer many questions with no logic what-so-ever, and run around spouting the name of christ and god as good enough reasons. They are not good enough reasons, they are reasons good enough only for the believing masses.

"At Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:21:53 PM, The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray said...
I, will, not, stand by and let my friend Dave be attacked in this way!!! I come now to his defense and the defense of all Catholics and right minded Christians who post here!!! It seems to me that, if any soul needed prayer, it is that of poor pitiful Mephistopheles. What a depressing life you must lead sir; that all you can do is curse your poor little head off at friends of mine and say the things you said. Dave, although you've done a wonderful job till now of defending our cause, you have stood alone on this comment page in doing so!!! No more!!!"

My so called soul needs no prayer. I gave up your fools religion for the truth, plain and simple, and yet i continue to have christianity thrown in my face at every turn. Im done with it, get over it, the "army of heaven" lost another soul, who cares? a fictional army needs no real fictional members.


At Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:26:14 PM, Dave Oatney said...
Ray, my brother, if you are anything you are the biting shark every conservative loves to come along when the other extreme (Meph up there) starts hurling the insults of the ignorant.

I am not ignorant, i was part of your fool religion, and im sick of repeating that.

 
At Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:22:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

It sounds like all you are, Meph, is a bitter soul with an axe to grind. We pray for you.

 
At Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:13:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

wasted prayers are wasted pray-- oh wait, all prayers are wastes! Look, all i am saying is that the world is overpopulated, and we will soon be in a place where we can no longer support our own population. China has the right idea, one child per family or extra taxes. america, however, is paying people who have children, in both taxes and welfare, and then there are states outlawing the one cure to this! abortion is the only way america will keep from being like china, and now that mexico is moving in (yay 20 mill in 5 years, PLUS the illegals) that will never be realized. And dont say to me "a child, at the moment of conception, has a soul" because that argument wont work with me, and its a weak argument anyway. at the very least, it dies while it is still a "child of god" then it gets to move its happy ass up to the invisable kingdom in the sky and not have to go through the hell the planet is becoming thanks to fucktards who think abortion should be illegal.

 
At Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:43:00 PM, Blogger Dave Oatney said...

Meph:
We cowher before your mighty intellect, expressed so ably in words such as "@#%!tards."

 
At Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:36:00 PM, Blogger Mephistopheles said...

actually i feel fucktards is an apt word for the situation

 

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